council of governors that was i think a matter of national defense authorization act of 2008, president obama has appointed the governors. that has opened up a line of communications from ten key governors to -- directly to the secretary of defense. that communication channel is being used and then the air force channel of communication through the chief of the national guard bureau already used a -- will be used also to exchange ideas on the cuts. >> in terms of the freeze in terms of personnel reductions how is that hitting you guys for the time being? >> freeze basically leaves our fy 12 fore structure in place. and so it's added a little bit of stability as we work through hopefully a compromise with the united states air force on a way ahead. you know where we are in the budget cycle right now, that would be for physical year '13 and probably '14 as we go forward. because we're going to be putting '15 together in just the next few months. >> do you have any solution in the offing anytime soon? >> we're getting close and there have been considerable compromises made by the united states a